Wednesday, March 17, 2010

Republicans insist on "up-or-down" votes?

As a vote on health-care reform nears, possibly under a "deem-and-pass" procedure, Republicans have dropped all pretense of making sense on the matter.

The New York Times reports
Republicans paraded to the House floor on Tuesday to denounce the maneuver as a parliamentary trick. Representative Ted Poe, Republican of Texas, said Democrats were using "a sneaky snake oil gimmick" to pass their bill. "Let’s have an up-or-down vote on this bill and not hide behind some procedural mumbo jumbo," Mr. Poe said.
And the Washington Post reports
Republicans sought to block Democrats' path. Rep. Parker Griffith (R-Ala.), who switched political parties in December, plans to introduce a resolution that would compel the Democrats to conduct a regular vote.
Huh? Republicans are now clamoring for an "up-or-down vote?"

Representatives Poe and Griffith (and other "outraged" Republicans) would do better to clamor for an "up-or-down" vote in the Senate, where a minority of Republican Senators are effectively preventing that chamber from voting through the "procedural mumbo jumbo" of a threatened filibuster.

While they're at it, Republicans could also clamor for "up-or-down" votes for the 64 Obama administration nominees pending in the Senate.


jon said...
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jon said...

Ok Dave,
I'll concur that the Republicans should vote in the Senate on the Judicial nominees.

By the way, a colleague of yours in a LTE to the N&R decried the outrageous cost increase in his State Health plan. He claimed a $10,000.00 cost even if no one gets sick. I did some research and at the deductible and co-pay rates he stated, I come up with a cost of just under $7,000.00. This was in yesterdays N&R
the next to last post is mine. If there are other factors here I'd like to know. Set me straight.

Dave Ribar said...


$10K sounds about right. The LTE author said that those were his family's expenses "in a good year," not that no one got sick.

There would be the $7K for premia and then charges for deductibles, medicines, and the like.

My family, which is on a similar plan, spends about $3K in out-of-pocket expenses on top of the 80/20 health insurance.

pino said...

to clamor for an "up-or-down" vote in the Senate

They can have an "up-or-down" vote in the Senate. However, the rule there is that it's not a simple majority winner take all; you need a super majority.

The fact that the house won't vote on the bill is a clear indication that:

A: The bill is very very bad legislation.
b: They don't have the votes.

However, by Sunday I do expect them to have the required 216. For fun, keep an eye on

Dave Ribar said...


60 votes aren't needed in the Senate to pass legislation; they are needed to end debate (invoke cloture) and permit a vote.

pino said...

60 votes aren't needed in the Senate to pass legislation; they are needed to end debate (invoke cloture) and permit a vote.

Oh, so the Senate HAS had an up or down vote? Why are you so upset that they haven't had that vote?